Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/18/2004 01:41 PM House FIN

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                      HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                         February 18, 2004                                                                                      
                             1:41 P.M.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     TAPE HFC 04-25, Side A                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                 
     to order at 1:41 P.M.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Representative John Harris, Co-Chair                                                                                       
     Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                     
     Representative Kevin Meyer, Vice-Chair                                                                                     
     Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                               
     Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                  
     Representative Hugh Fate                                                                                                   
     Representative Richard Foster                                                                                              
     Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                 
     Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                
     Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                  
     Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     None                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Cheryl Frasca, Director, Division of Management & Budget,                                                                  
     Office  of  the Governor;  Kathryn  Daughhetee, Director,                                                                  
     Administrative Services Division, Department of Law; Bill                                                                  
     Jeffress, Office  of  Project Management  and  Permitting,                                                                 
     Department of Natural  Resources; Janet Clarke, Director,                                                                  
     Division of Administrative Services, Department of Health                                                                  
     and Social Services; Tom  Lawson, Director, Administrative                                                                 
     Services, Department of Community and Economic Development;                                                                
     Dan Spencer, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                
     Department  of  Public  Safety;  Eric  Swanson, Director,                                                                  
     Division  of   Administrative  Services,   Department  of                                                                  
     Administration; Eddy  Jeans, Manger,  School  Finance and                                                                  
     Facilities Section,  Department  of  Education and  Early                                                                  
     Development; Karen Rehfeld, Director, Division of Education                                                                
     Support  Services,  Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                                  
     Development;  Kevin   Brooks,   Director,   Division   of                                                                  
     Administrative Services, Department of Fish and Game; Nancy                                                                
     Slagle,  Director, Division  of  Administrative Services,                                                                  
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities; Laura                                                                  
     Glaiser, Director, Division  of Elections, Office  of the                                                                  
     Lieutenant Governor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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 SUMMARY                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 HB 455   An    Act   making    supplemental   and   other                                                                      
          appropriations; amending appropriations; making an                                                                    
          appropriation to capitalize a fund; and providing                                                                     
          for an effective date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 455 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 HB 456   An    Act   making    supplemental   and   other                                                                      
          appropriations;    amending     and    repealing                                                                      
          appropriations;    making   appropriations    to                                                                      
          capitalize funds; and providing for an effective                                                                      
          date.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          HB 456 was POSTPONED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 HOUSE BILL NO. 455                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     An  Act making supplemental and other  appropriations;                                                                     
     amending  appropriations; making an  appropriation to                                                                      
     capitalize a fund; and providing for an effective date.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 CHERYL FRASCA,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF  MANAGEMENT &  BUDGET                                                                      
 (OMB), OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, gave a concise overview of                                                                      
 the two  supplemental bills,  stating  that the  proposed                                                                      
 additional spending is about  $13.8 million.   Savings of                                                                      
 about $8.4 million will offset those General Fund dollars,                                                                     
 resulting in a net increase of $5.4 million.  The OMB tried                                                                    
 to limit the funding requests to costs the agencies could                                                                      
 not  anticipate or  budget  for  within  their management                                                                      
 structures.  The Public Defender Agency and the Office of                                                                      
 Public  Advocacy  are  caseload-driven,  and  Ms.  Frasca                                                                      
 explained that  the  OMB worked  with  these agencies  on                                                                      
 operating changes to enhance savings from the beginning of                                                                     
 FY 04.    As a  result, these  agencies' requests in  the                                                                      
 supplemental are reduced. The Department of Health & Social                                                                    
 Services went to an "add-delete" process, resulting in no                                                                      
 overall increase in costs, or net zero.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Section 1 ETS                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
             Appropriates the ACS disentanglement settlement of                                                                 
             $3,447,647 from the General Fund to the Information                                                                
             Services Fund.                           $3,447,647                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ERIC SWANSON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION of ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                               
     DEPARTMENT of ADMINISTRATION (DOA), stated that Section 1                                                                  
     requests reimbursement of a settlement sum received by the                                                                 
     state from Alaska Communication Services as a result of the                                                                
     state severing  its  contractual agreement  with ACS  for                                                                  
     providing  telecommunication services.    The  state  has                                                                  
     received roughly half of the  sum in the supplemental and                                                                  
     expects to receive the balance by the  end of this month.                                                                  
     The sum would reimburse the state for costs incurred upon                                                                  
     severing the contract, including changes to equipment and                                                                  
     technology and disputed billings.  All costs incurred were                                                                 
     paid from the Information Services Fund.  The law requires                                                                 
     settlement funds be deposited in the General Fund, and the                                                                 
     department  asks  that  the  funds  be  returned  to  the                                                                  
     Information Services Fund.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2 Environmental Law                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
             Exxon Valdez Oil Spill ongoing costs for experts                                                                   
             and outside counsel to analyze continuing injury                                                                   
             and develop restoration options; June 30, 2005                                                                     
             lapse date.                                                                                                        
                                       EVOS Restoration  $100.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     DAVE MARQUEZ, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT of LAW                                                                
     (DOL), explained that the request refers to the EXXON Valdez                                                               
     settlement agreement.  Under the settlement terms, the claim                                                               
     can be reopened if there is evidence that the state may have                                                               
     additional claims.   This appropriation would  assist the                                                                  
     department in analyzing confidential environmental studies                                                                 
     of Prince  William Sound  and in  making the  decision of                                                                  
     whether to reopen the claim.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris questioned what is involved in reopening the                                                               
     case while EXXON is appealing it to the U.S. Supreme Court.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Marcus explained that this request isn't related to the                                                                
     ongoing litigation.  Through a provision in the settlement                                                                 
     agreement, the state retained the right to reopen the claim                                                                
     if remaining damages are determined and the damages have not                                                               
     been properly addressed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Chenault asked if  this is related  to the                                                                  
     current contract with a firm that  evaluates environmental                                                                 
     studies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 KATHRYN  DAUGHHETEE,  DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES                                                                      
 DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF LAW, clarified that the department                                                                     
 is asking the firm currently under contract to subcontract                                                                     
 with an  environmental engineering firm which  then would                                                                      
 consider the completed analyses to  determine the state's                                                                      
 position in the decision to reopen the settlement.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft questioned if this $100.0 request would                                                                   
 consolidate the review of the studies. Mr. Marcus responded,                                                                   
 that it would.  An environmental engineer would  help the                                                                      
 department evaluate whether a claim could be made and how to                                                                   
 restructure it.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris asked how much is in the  EVOS fund.  Mr.                                                                      
 Marcus was unable to respond.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF FISH & GAME                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Section 3  Capital                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
         Receipts from City & Borough of Juneau to complete                                                                     
         work at the indoor rifle range  in Juneau.  These                                                                      
         receipts have already been received, and  work at                                                                      
         the rifle range is scheduled to start early spring.                                                                    
                      Statutory Des Program Receipts   $75.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BROOKS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION of ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT of FISH and GAME, explained that Section 3 would                                                                     
amend an  appropriation passed several  years ago for  the                                                                      
rifle range  in Juneau.  The addition  of $75  thousand is                                                                      
funding received from the City &  Borough of Juneau (CBJ).                                                                      
The project is near completion except for tapping into the                                                                      
city water line. This request would allow the department to                                                                     
receive the money from CBJ.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Section 4   Elections                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         General funds needed for the Help America Vote Act                                                                     
         (HAVA) fund maintenance of effort.   Some work on                                                                      
         the upcoming  primary and general  elections will                                                                      
         take place during FY 04.                     $180.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 LAURA GLAISER, DIRECTOR, DIVISION of ELECTIONS, spoke to a                                                                     
 proposed change in the language in Section 4 that would read                                                                   
 "for the operating costs  of the division related  to the                                                                      
 primary and general elections for the  fiscal year ending                                                                      
 June 30, 2004."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Croft  questioned whether  this is  a  new                                                                  
     request of $180 thousand or a change in the language.  Ms.                                                                 
     Glaiser said that it is a new request.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Croft asked if the division has additional                                                                  
     expenses because it  is  an election  year.   Ms. Glaiser                                                                  
     affirmed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Croft asked if this is the typical increment                                                                
     given to the division in election years. Ms. Glaiser pointed                                                               
     to a  reduction in the  FY 04  budget, and said  that the                                                                  
     division would  still  show  a  reduction if  given  this                                                                  
     appropriation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Ms. Glaiser discussed decrements and reductions between FY                                                                 
     04 and  FY 05  and asserted  that the division  can't get                                                                  
     through this year without the request.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Representative  Hawker   asked  why   this   funding  was                                                                  
     missed in the budget cycle, with election-year costs coming                                                                
     up. Ms. Glaiser stated  that she takes responsibility for                                                                  
     thinking the agency could handle a 10% reduction.  She has                                                                 
     restructured and reduced the director's travel, but with the                                                               
     statutory deadlines  to get  the  forms out,  Ms. Glaiser                                                                  
     concluded that the division needs this money                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris asked if $180 thousand is adequate and Ms.                                                                 
     Glaiser affirmed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris asked if all the polling places are handicap                                                               
     accessible.  Ms.  Glaiser stated that  the division makes                                                                  
     those accommodations, and it is required by the Help America                                                               
     Vote Act to make more improvements.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5(a) Capital                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
             Add the  capital project for  the State veterans'                                                                  
             home conversion in Palmer to  speed up the design                                                                  
             work and take advantage of the summer construction                                                                 
             season.  A  corresponding FY 05 capital amendment                                                                  
             will also be submitted to delete the project from                                                                  
             the FY 05 budget.                                                                                                  
                        ASLC Dividend                  $3,500.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     JANET CLARKE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION of ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                               
     DEPARTMENT of HEALTH and  SOCIAL SERVICES, explained that                                                                  
     Section 5 (a) is a capital appropriation for the veteran's                                                                 
     home.  The project would convert the Palmer Pioneer Home to                                                                
     the  state  veterans'  home, a   79-bed domiciliary  care                                                                  
     facility. The department submitted an initial  application                                                                 
     for approval with upgrades including heating,  electrical,                                                                 
 conservation systems, fire and other codes. The Legislative                                                                    
 Budget &  Audit Committee has  used $100  thousand of  an                                                                      
 earlier appropriation for an  architectural firm to  help                                                                      
 complete  the  final  application by   April  15.    This                                                                      
 appropriation would accelerate the project to certify the                                                                      
 facility for VA  receipts about five  months earlier than                                                                      
 anticipated in the fiscal notes with the Governor's bill. It                                                                   
 would result in  cost savings in  the operating  budget a                                                                      
 couple years from now.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris asked if Ms. Clarke was referring to $2.275                                                                    
 million in federal  funds.   She replied no,  the federal                                                                      
 government would match 65% for the capital conversion but                                                                      
 the department would also receive some operating receipts                                                                      
 once the project is certified to offset some of the general                                                                    
 fund expenditures for the facility.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris asked if there is a proposal to take some                                                                      
 funding from the student loan  corporation dividend.  Ms.                                                                      
 Clarke replied yes, that the OMB determination of sources to                                                                   
 provide the state match included that funding source.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 In response to a  question by Co-Chair Harris, Ms. Clarke                                                                      
 stated that  $3.5  million  is  their best  estimate  for                                                                      
 renovation of the Pioneers Home.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Clarke  advised  that both  the  veterans the  Alaska                                                                      
 Pioneers support the project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker expressed curiosity over the choice of                                                                   
 student loan corporation funding instead of  General Fund                                                                      
 dollars.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 JOAN BROWN, CHIEF BUDGET ANALYST, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT &                                                                      
 BUDGET, OFFICE OF  THE GOVERNOR,  explained that the  OMB                                                                      
 decided to use the unappropriated FY 04 dividend balance for                                                                   
 the veterans home, as a one-time project.   Representative                                                                     
 Hawker asked if this would leave any unappropriated FY 04                                                                      
 money. Ms. Brown answered that the supplemental would use it                                                                   
 all.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft  asked if  this  capital request  is                                                                      
 dependent on  the  passage  of  legislation.   Ms.  Brown                                                                      
 explained that the passage of legislation would allow the                                                                      
 department  to  operate   a   veterans  home,  but   this                                                                      
 appropriation is not contingent on that passage.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Croft  questioned   making  the   capital                                                                      
 appropriation to convert the facility to  a veterans home                                                                      
 without the authority to operate it as a veterans home if                                                                      
 the bill doesn't pass.  Ms. Clarke confirmed that is also                                                                      
 her understanding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Fate recalled that the legislation is generic                                                               
     and doesn't specify the Palmer Pioneers Home or the veterans                                                               
     home. He  asked  if  that would  pose  a  problem in  the                                                                  
     authorization of this appropriation. Ms. Clarke replied that                                                               
     he is correct but that it would not be a problem.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5(b) Alaska Senior Assistance Program                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
             Reduce excess federal fiscal relief funds.                                                                         
             Fed Unrestricted Receipts               ($3,334.0)                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5(c) Senior Care                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
             Use excess federal fiscal relief funds for FY 04                                                                   
             costs for Senior Care program                                                                                      
             Fed Unrestricted Receipts                 $3,334.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Ms. Clarke spoke to 5(b)  and 5(c) relating to the Alaska                                                                  
     Senior Assistance  Program and  the Senior  Care Program.                                                                  
     Section 5(b) reduces the amount appropriated from federal                                                                  
     funds and allows it to be appropriated to the last quarter                                                                 
     of the fiscal year for the Senior Care Program which has a                                                                 
     starting date of April 1.  The federal tax relief dollars                                                                  
     totaling $3,334.0 will be available for reallocation to the                                                                
     Senior Care  Program.   She  explained that  a  series of                                                                  
     appropriations of General Fund dollars would  make up the                                                                  
     difference of what is needed to run the Senior Care Program                                                                
     for the last quarter of FY 04.  The funding was approved by                                                                
     the Legislative  Budget and  Audit Committee  (LB&A) last                                                                  
     summer for the Senior Care Program and the appropriation is                                                                
     consistent with  the passed  legislation relating to  the                                                                  
     program.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris discussed whether the unrestricted monies                                                                  
     are required to be used for senior care.  Ms. Clarke agreed                                                                
     they  are  unrestricted  but  she  reiterated  that  LB&A                                                                  
     authorized their use by the Senior Care Program. Co-Chair                                                                  
     Harris indicated that the committee could reauthorize the                                                                  
     use of the funds.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Joule asked if the department plans to notify                                                               
     new people of their eligibility in April when readjustments                                                                
     to the poverty level are made.  Ms. Clarke stated that she                                                                 
     didn't know.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Stoltze asked if hold harmless provisions are                                                               
     no longer in effect since the senior benefit programs have                                                                 
     been restructured to income levels.  Ms. Clarke explained                                                                  
     that the  longevity bonus hold  harmless program  was not                                                                  
     income-based, but these programs are income-based and would                                                                
     not have a hold harmless provision related to their payment                                                                
     or their drug benefit.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker questioned the unexpended funds not                                                                      
 included in this total, and what would happen  if all the                                                                      
 money were expended by mid-March in the old program.  Ms.                                                                      
 Clarke advised that unexpended funds would lapse because the                                                                   
 appropriation only spans one year under the authority of the                                                                   
 LB&A.  The department has estimates but it will monitor the                                                                    
 project on a monthly basis to make adjustments.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker noted that this is  part of  a much                                                                      
 larger appropriation, and  asked if  it  is  necessary to                                                                      
 increment through general funds  for the  five relatively                                                                      
 small items [5(d) through 5(e)(4)].  Ms. Clarke replied that                                                                   
 the department  identified no  other funding  sources and                                                                      
 looked to  general  fund dollars  when  the proposal  was                                                                      
 written.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft asked if the Senior Assistance Program                                                                    
 is the  federal money  used  in the  transition from  the                                                                      
 Longevity Bonus, or another program.  Ms. Clarke explained                                                                     
 that this is the  temporary transition from the longevity                                                                      
 bonus, and it is income-based at $120 per month for low-                                                                       
 income seniors who need cash assistance.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Clarke  pointed out  that  Section 12  also makes  an                                                                      
 appropriation contingent on passage of the Senior Care bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Section 5(d) Senior Care                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
         FY 04 costs for Senior Care program          $154.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Section 5(e)(1) Alaska Longevity Programs Mgmt                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         FY 04 costs for Senior Care program.          $46.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Section 5(e)(2) Health Purchasing Group                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         FY 04 costs for Senior Care program           $85.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Section 5(e)(3) Public Assistance Administration                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
         FY 04 costs for Senior Care program           $25.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Section 5(e)(4) Public Assistance Data Processing                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
         FY 04 costs for Senior Care program            $6.8                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Clarke noted that she  had briefly explained Sections                                                                      
 5(d)  through 5(e)(4)  in  the  earlier  discussion  with                                                                      
 Representative Hawker. She stated that these increases track                                                                   
 with the Senior Care Program bill.  The $3,334,000 of tax                                                                      
 relief money for program benefits falls short of the total                                                                     
 needed, so the department is requesting the portion that the                                                                   
 federal funds can't support.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Ms. Clarke explained that Sections 5(e)(1) through 5(e)(4)                                                                 
     relate to the management costs of the Senior Care Program                                                                  
     that had not previously been budgeted.  These costs directly                                                               
     tie to the fiscal note provided to the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris questioned why the request is in the fast                                                                  
     track supplemental rather than the operating budget or the                                                                 
     fiscal  note  accompanying the   legislation. Ms.  Clarke                                                                  
     indicated that because the fiscal note appropriation would                                                                 
     not be effective until July 1 the supplemental is the only                                                                 
     mechanism available if the program begins on April 1.  She                                                                 
     asserted that the funding is needed quickly.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6(a) Recorder's Office                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
             Increased costs to process heavy volume of mortgage                                                                
             refinance activity                                                                                                 
                        Receipt Supported Services       $300.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6(b) Office of Habitat Mgt. and Permitting                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
             Replace unrealized inter-agency receipts in order                                                                  
             to fulfill workload requirements             $150.0                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6(c) Capital                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
              Increased activity in Remote Recreational Cabin                                                                   
              Site Survey Contracts                                                                                             
                        Land Disposal Income Fund        $119.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     NICO  BUS,  ACTING DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  of  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                 
     SERVICES, DEPARTMENT of NATURAL RESOURCES (DNR), spoke to                                                                  
     Sections 6(a) through 6(c).  He explained that $300 thousand                                                               
     in user fees in Section 6(a) is for the Recorder's Office                                                                  
     for extra  staff  and supplies  needed for  the increased                                                                  
     workload related to mortgage refinance activity.  The normal                                                               
     workload of 200,000 documents increased this last calendar                                                                 
     year to  about 300,000.   The department has  doubled its                                                                  
     revenue, taking in $8 million.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In response  to a  question by  Co-Chair Harris,  Mr. Bus                                                                  
     clarified that the user fees derive mostly from refinancing                                                                
     home mortgages due to low interest rates, and real estate                                                                  
     activity.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Bus advised that  Section 6(b) requests $150 thousand                                                                  
     and there are not user fees  to cover it.  The department                                                                  
     anticipated  various  funding   sources  that   have  not                                                                  
     materialized to pay for staffing when the Office of Habitat                                                                
     Management and Permitting transferred from  ADF&G to DNR.                                                                  
     This funding is needed to finish FY 04 with the projected                                                                  
 staffing because with the transition, many new staff came in                                                                   
 at advanced salary ranges instead of entry level as had been                                                                   
 anticipated.  The department has also paid for some of the                                                                     
 office space.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris  asked which  agencies  DNR targeted  for                                                                      
 interagency receipts.  Mr.  Bus replied, ADF&G  and other                                                                      
 agencies, but the  projects didn't  materialize.  In  the                                                                      
 transfer, the estimate was too high because the department                                                                     
 had counted on those funds to pay for the existing staff.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Bus stated that Section 6(c) is  an increase from the                                                                      
 Land Disposal Income Fund to  pay for remote recreational                                                                      
 cabin surveys and appraisals.  This funding was previously                                                                     
 budgeted in  the operating  budget. People  interested in                                                                      
 owning remote recreational sites pay the state beforehand to                                                                   
 do a combined survey and appraisal. Because the surveys and                                                                    
 appraisals weren't completed in FY 03, this appropriation                                                                      
 carries forward into FY 04.   Since then, DNR has  done a                                                                      
 capital request and would like to amend the capital budget                                                                     
 for FY 04,  increasing it by  $119 thousand.   This would                                                                      
 enable the  department to  finish the  work  and get  the                                                                      
 contracts out during the summer season.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 In response to a question by Representative Fate, Mr. Bus                                                                      
 explained it's a "catching up"  procedure because DNR was                                                                      
 late in getting the surveys out, and contracts have been let                                                                   
 which need to be paid.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 In response to a question by Representative Croft, Mr. Bus                                                                     
 clarified that  the  capital request  is  the prospective                                                                      
 landowners' money  that  is  held  until the  survey  and                                                                      
 appraisal work is completed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7 Capital                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
         Scope change for the Ketchikan Public Safety                                                                           
         Building appropriation, sec. 1, ch. 82, SLA 2003,                                                                      
         pg. 33, ln. 22, to include a purchase of a building                                                                    
         and adjacent lot and improvements              $0.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 DAN SPENCER, DIRECTOR, DIVISION of ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
 DEPARTMENT of PUBLIC SAFETY explained that the department                                                                      
 would like to  change the scope of  an appropriation from                                                                      
 constructing a new building to buying an existing facility.                                                                    
 The existing building is currently owned by the Ketchikan                                                                      
 borough, and  is smaller  and  $3 million  less than  the                                                                      
 proposed new  building.   The  department could buy  this                                                                      
 building and move in for $1.2 million.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Croft questioned how this  item would save                                                                  
     money. Mr. Spencer explained that last year's appropriation                                                                
     of $2.4  million  was vetoed  down to  $1,225,000 by  the                                                                  
     Governor.  The department determined that it  could buy a                                                                  
     building with the lower  appropriation, as well as afford                                                                  
     improvements to the building and the lot.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8(a) Alaska Permanent Fund Corp.                                                                                   
             Increased costs to advocate for POMV                                                                               
             Perm Fund Rcpts                            $300.0                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8(b) Alaska Permanent Fund Corp.                                                                                   
             Authorization that APFC may advocate for POMV $0.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     BOB BARTHOLOMEW, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, ALASKA PERMANENT                                                                 
     FUND CORPORATION,  DEPARTMENT of REVENUE,  explained that                                                                  
     Section 8(a) is an increase in the FY 04 operating budget to                                                               
     be used for an expanded education and outreach campaign on                                                                 
     the POMV, or Percent of Market Value proposal that the board                                                               
     has recommended to the  legislature.  The corporation had                                                                  
     planned to start the campaign toward the end of the fiscal                                                                 
     year, but  the board has  encouraged the public education                                                                  
     effort sooner than anticipated.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Bartholomew explained  that Section 8(b)  expands the                                                                  
     corporation's authority in using state funds.  It currently                                                                
     is allowed to use budgeted funds to educate on the operation                                                               
     of the  Permanent Fund.   This  section would  expand and                                                                  
     broaden that  authority to  include an  advocacy role  in                                                                  
     promoting  a  position  and  encouraging  action  by  the                                                                  
     legislature or  the voters.   An  advocacy campaign would                                                                  
     require direct approval by the legislature.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris asked if  the corporation is requesting a                                                                  
     language change as well as  an increased allocation.  Mr.                                                                  
     Bartholomew confirmed that is correct.  He cited Title 15,                                                                 
     which comes into play for  ballot propositions.  Title 15                                                                  
     specifically  states  that   direct  approval   from  the                                                                  
     legislature is required in order for the Permanent Fund to                                                                 
     use state funds for advocacy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
     Representative Stoltze  remarked that  advocacy might  be                                                                  
     called lobbying, and  he asked  for a  description of the                                                                  
     planned lobbying efforts. Mr. Bartholomew pointed out that                                                                 
     all  state agencies  including the  corporation have  the                                                                  
     authority to directly lobby the legislature. The corporation                                                               
     over the past year has educated the legislature on the POMV                                                                
     issue. If the resolution passes the legislature, the real                                                                  
     issue of advocacy will present when the initiative is placed                                                               
     on the ballot.  At that time, the corporation will no longer                                                               
     have the ability to advocate the public or the legislature,                                                                
 and Mr. Bartholomew stressed that advocating the legislature                                                                   
 will be more important.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Bartholomew continued discussing the current authority                                                                     
 of the corporation with Representative Stoltze.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 (Tape Change, HFC 04 - 25, Side B)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Stoltze asked if the $300 thousand request                                                                      
 would be adequate for the advocacy effort for the year.  Mr.                                                                   
 Bartholomew said that the appropriation would be used in FY                                                                    
 04 through June 30. The FY 05 budget contains an additional                                                                    
 request.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 In response to a  question by Representative Stoltze, Mr.                                                                      
 Bartholomew stated the corporation would not spend very much                                                                   
 money lobbying the legislature.  The corporation would like                                                                    
 to start educating the  public before the passage  of the                                                                      
 constitutional amendment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Stoltze asked the total budget for advocacy                                                                     
 and education.  Mr. Bartholomew replied the maximum amount                                                                     
 of a three-tiered plan for FY 04 and FY 05 would total $1.4                                                                    
 million, depending on how many times the ads are run.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Stoltze asked if requests for proposals to                                                                      
 public relations  firms have  gone  out.  Mr. Bartholomew                                                                      
 replied that the corporation has had an on-going contract                                                                      
 with a communications firm in Anchorage for the past four                                                                      
 years that helped with the mail-out in January regarding the                                                                   
 POMV. In reference to this supplemental request and the FY                                                                     
 05 budget request, he explained that there is a request for                                                                    
 proposals from  communications  and  ad  agencies.    The                                                                      
 corporation will not move forward with the contract without                                                                    
 legislative approval.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris pointed out that the  committee asked Mr.                                                                      
 Heinze [ANGDA] not to use  state money to  lobby for more                                                                      
 state money.   He  expressed that  it is  a philosophical                                                                      
 question.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Vice-Chair Meyer advised that  many on the  House Finance                                                                      
 Committee helped to educate the public on Percent of Market                                                                    
 Value last summer and fall, but he said that not everyone                                                                      
 likes the concept of POMV.  It raises the issue of fairness                                                                    
 whether to use public funds to advocate this position when                                                                     
 an opposing group is raising private funds to advocate their                                                                   
 own position.      He asked  about  alternatives if  this                                                                      
 appropriation is not funded.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Bartholomew said  that education  is their  best tool                                                                      
 because polling groups indicate that a broad segment of the                                                                    
 public is not aware of the issue.  The corporation has been                                                                    
     advised to use radio and television, and their other tools                                                                 
     are very limited.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Bartholomew  described the  corporation's struggle to                                                                  
     educate the public on two separate issues:   How the POMV                                                                  
     works, and the use of the fund's earnings.  There would be a                                                               
     lot of  merit in educating  the public, without advocacy.                                                                  
     Outreach efforts would  be severely  limited without this                                                                  
     appropriation and  without broadened  authority, but  the                                                                  
     corporation has planned for it.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Bartholomew continued, if the constitutional amendment                                                                 
     passes  the  legislature,  the   authority  provision  in                                                                  
     subparagraph (b) may be more important than the increased                                                                  
     funding.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Hawker  asked what  the  corporation would                                                                  
     advocate  if  this   appropriation  is  forthcoming.  Mr.                                                                  
     Bartholomew replied, the board  advised educating, and if                                                                  
     given the  authority, advocating on the  POMV payout, the                                                                  
     spending limit on the Permanent Fund.  The corporation has                                                                 
     avoided the legislative issue of use of the fund's earnings.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Hawker requested absolute assurance that the                                                                
     appropriation would be used to discuss the merits of Percent                                                               
     of Market Value, and not what the legislature might choose                                                                 
     to  do  with the  funds  available  under the  POMV.  Mr.                                                                  
     Bartholomew stated that is correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris wondered about the supplemental request if                                                                 
     the legislature  doesn't pass  the POMV.  Mr.  Bartholomew                                                                 
     explained that the money would lapse.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In response  to a  question by  Representative Croft, Mr.                                                                  
     Bartholomew discussed two series of radio ads and a six-part                                                               
     series on the fund's history on KTOO public television. He                                                                 
     clarified that the ads were educational and currently the                                                                  
     corporation does not have the authority to advocate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Croft asked if the current ads mention the                                                                  
     deletion of principal as  part of POMV.   Mr.  Bartholomew                                                                 
     replied none of the ads addresses removal of principal. The                                                                
     30-second spots center on the broad concept that the fund                                                                  
     has grown and matured but it has certain guidelines that the                                                               
     corporation feels are  outdated.   The two  public policy                                                                  
     issues of the proposal that will be addressed later are the                                                                
     removal of principal and if the  5% spending limit is the                                                                  
     right level                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Croft asked if the ads mention the spending                                                                 
     limit.  Mr. Bartholomew said several ads mention that POMV                                                                 
     will limit the annual removal from the fund.  The approach                                                                 
     is that this proposal works best under any of the scenarios,                                                               
     whether dividends or expanded to other uses.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft asked the source of the $300 thousand.                                                                    
 Mr. Bartholomew said it is corporate receipts or revenues                                                                      
 generated by the investments of Permanent Fund money.  He                                                                      
 clarified that these receipts go into the Earnings Reserve.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft asked if the corporation has a request                                                                    
 for an additional $1.1 million in the budget process.                                                                          
 Mr.  Bartholomew explained  the  four-part  funding  that                                                                      
 involves freeing up $200  thousand in the existing  FY 04                                                                      
 budget, which, with this additional $300 thousand request,                                                                     
 will total $500 thousand for FY 04. The corporation will ask                                                                   
 for an  amendment to the  original FY  05 budget of  $700                                                                      
 thousand, freeing up $200 thousand of the  previous FY 05                                                                      
 request to total  $900 thousand for FY 05.  The sum of the                                                                     
 two is $1.4 million.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Section 9(a) Anchorage Airport Administration                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Tenant  improvement inspection oversight.   DOT  will                                                                      
     contract  out  management  of  the  extensive  tenant                                                                      
     building activity for the few months prior to opening                                                                      
     the terminal.  Internal staff cannot handle this level                                                                     
     of  one-time activity.   Cost will  not affect FY  05                                                                      
     budget.        Internat'l Airports Revenue Fund $200.0                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   MACKINNON,  DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT   of                                                                      
TRANSPORTATION and PUBLIC FACILITIES, spoke to Section 9(a)                                                                     
explaining that Concourse C  is scheduled to open  in June                                                                      
2004, and tenant improvements on the concourse are underway.                                                                    
The department needs  a consultant contract to  manage and                                                                      
inspect the  tenant build out being  done by a  variety of                                                                      
contractors.  With the  large investment in this building,                                                                      
the tenant  build out  must conform to  specifications and                                                                      
safety levels.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Section 9(b)  Anchorage Airport Facilities                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Concourse C operations costs of planning and                                                                           
         implementation of the consultant contract (to be                                                                       
         hired in March) and the first month (June) of                                                                          
         operations and maintenance.                                                                                            
                 Internat'l Airports Revenue Fund  $1,500.0                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. MacKinnon explained  that Section 9(b) relates  to the                                                                      
department lacking  staff  to handle  the  maintenance and                                                                      
operations  of  the  expanded  Concourse  C.  The  airport                                                                      
administration would like to contract out for maintenance,                                                                      
and this request includes hiring a consultant to handle the                                                                     
request for proposals. The concourse will open in June 2004.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
    Representative Fate asked if the use of the Fund requires                                                                   
    approval.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
    NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION of ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                
    DEPARTMENT of TRANSPORTATION and PUBLIC FACILITIES replied                                                                  
    that  the agreement  with the  signatory airlines involves                                                                  
    presenting them with the operating budget for comment.  She                                                                 
    said  that  authorization  for  this  supplemental is  not                                                                  
    required.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10(a) Capital                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
             Earmarked projects passed in January's federal                                                                     
             omnibus bill which must all be obligated before                                                                    
             September 30, 2004:                           $0.0                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris asked if  the following series of capital                                                                  
     requests [Sections 10(a)(1) through 10(a)(41) and 10(b)] are                                                               
     all federal  and other funding  sources, without matching                                                                  
     general funds.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Ms. Slagle explained that there are a few projects requiring                                                               
     some matching  funds  provided either  through the  AIDEA                                                                  
     dividend or  International Airport Revenue Funds,  but no                                                                  
     General Fund match.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Vice-Chair Meyer asked about Section 10(a)(6), Kotzebue Dust                                                               
     and Persistent Particulate Abatement Research. Mr. MacKinnon                                                               
     replied it's a paving project  being monitored in an area                                                                  
     where dust is a problem.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Representative   Hawker   expressed   concern   that   if                                                                  
     appropriated, the money couldn't be spent before it lapses.                                                                
     Mr. Mackinnon stated that these capital items are part of                                                                  
     the recently passed omnibus bill, which contains conflicting                                                               
     language.  One version of the bill includes a lapse date of                                                                
     Sept. 30.  The department put these items in the fast track                                                                
     supplemental in order to obligate these funds.  He commented                                                               
     that it  seems unusual  that earmarks  would lapse.   The                                                                  
     legislation also involves the earmarks coming off the top of                                                               
     the federal highway funds.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Representative  Hawker  questioned  what   would  satisfy                                                                  
     "obligating" the funds. Mr. MacKinnon responded that federal                                                               
     highway rules require  the department to  meet milestones                                                                  
     before proceeding to  the next  phase of a  project. Once                                                                  
     reached, the department can obligate the  money. He added                                                                  
     that the department would do everything it could to obligate                                                               
     the $10 million.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In response to  a question  by Representative Hawker, Mr.                                                                  
     MacKinnon noted that the  state did not have  a choice in                                                                  
     accepting the earmarked funds.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 In response to  a question by  Representative Joule about                                                                      
 Section 10(a)(1), Mr. MacKinnon observed that most of the                                                                      
 earmarks did not come  from the department, but  from the                                                                      
 communities, and he added that it can take months to discern                                                                   
 their use.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris asked for more  information about the two                                                                      
 items for the University of Alaska Transportation Research                                                                     
 Center in Section 10(a)(4) [$2,000.0] and                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Section 10(a)(35) Capital                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         University of Alaska Transportation Research Center                                                                    
         (ED 99)                                    $1,500.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. MacKinnon explained these items came out of different                                                                      
 funding sources in  the appropriations bill.   The center                                                                      
 researches issues including dust control and more durable                                                                      
 pavements.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris referred to Section 10(a)(20) and asked if                                                                     
 the state can authorize giving this money to another federal                                                                   
 agency to develop rural projects, for example, to the BIA                                                                      
 for the Donlin Creek Road to allow faster procurement. Mr.                                                                     
 Mackinnon replied that it is a possibility.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris noted that most of the earmarked projects                                                                      
 are in rural  Alaska, and questioned if  the priority for                                                                      
 highway monies needed  to be  rural roads.  Mr. MacKinnon                                                                      
 agreed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft noted that the AIDEA dividend and the                                                                     
 Student Loan dividends are substitutes for general funds. He                                                                   
 also noted that half of the amount of these dividends are                                                                      
 going    toward    Section    10(a)(7),    the    Coffman                                                                      
 Cove/Wrangell/Petersburg Ferries and Ferry Facilities, and                                                                     
 Section 10(a)(40), the Coffman Cove Inner Island Ferry /Bus                                                                    
 Terminal. Ms. Slagle agreed. Representative Croft asked for                                                                    
 more information.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. MacKinnon responded that the appropriation would benefit                                                                   
 a private organization, not the state's fast ferry system.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft reiterated the perception that most of                                                                    
 the federal  money would  be  used for  rural Alaska  and                                                                      
 questioned the division. Ms. Slagle observed that they had                                                                     
 not done a rural/urban breakdown.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Section 9(c) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         Federal contract to perform maintenance and                                                                            
         operation for 5 years at Adak air facility.                                                                            
         Interest earnings must be spent on the Adak air                                                                        
             facility.   Adak Airport Operations       $10,000.0                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Ms. Slagle observed that  the project in  Section 9(c) is                                                                  
     based on a  contract with the U.S. Navy to  take over the                                                                  
     operations and   maintenance of  the  Adak  Airport.  She                                                                  
     clarified that the state would contract with  the city of                                                                  
     Adak for most of the operations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Moses explained that the  airport had been                                                                  
     turned over to the city.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris noted that $10 million would be spent. Ms.                                                                 
     Slagle observed that the funding would come from the U.S.                                                                  
     Navy over 5 years. Mr. MacKinnon added that the state would                                                                
     receive an additional $13.5 million from other sources than                                                                
     the Navy over the next three years for both operations and                                                                 
     maintenance.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10(a)(41)  Capital                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
             Mobility Coalition (ED 99)                 $500.0                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Representative Hawker questioned this project that provides                                                                
     transportation  infrastructure  to   low-income  families                                                                  
     statewide. Mr. Mackinnon said  that he  would provide the                                                                  
     information.  The coalition is working with the department,                                                                
   which has been involved with mobility issues for years.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Co-Chair Harris  stated  that HB  455  would  be HELD  in                                                                  
     committee for further consideration.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The meeting was adjourned at 3:11 P.M.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              

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